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On February 02 2019 03:57 mordek wrote:
Is there any downside to regularly squatting with sleeves? Similar to the logic to only use belt for heavy reps so you keep training your core/bracing?
Training with a belt likely results in as much if not more core activation as training without one. There are reasons for powerlifters and other athletes to do beltless variations, but to build a stronger core is not one of them.
That said, I can't think of any good reason not to wear sleeves. Wraps, sure, but not sleeves.
I wouldn't worry about squat sleeves, especially for someone already pretty strong. It's not like there's some real world situation where you need to be able to squat over 400 lbs without sleeves and not being able to use them will throw you off.
Dr. Stuart McGill, a (or the) foremost expert on spinal biomechanics, recommends against the use of a belt in most cases, even for lifters. He states that to get the maximum effect out of a belt, it requires spinal flexion to take advantage of “elastic recoil of a bent torso that is stiffened with a belt. However, if a neutral spine is preserved throughout the lift, this effect is minimal. In other words, to obtain the maximal effect from a belt, the lifter must lift poorly and in a way that exposed the back to a much higher risk of injury!”
If you are a person who is pretty strong, and wants to get stronger, you are going to take advantage of the belt, whether you know that you are deliberately doing that or not. You just want to get the weight up when you have 500+ lbs on your back. You aren't concerned with whether your spine is neutral no matter how much of a form perfectionist you think you are. So if you are a low-bar squatter, with a lot of torque on your spine (compared to say, an olympic level, upright, high-bar squat), the belt reduces your proprioception of your spine, and helps cope with what becomes routine spinal flexion during these near-max lift attempts. This is fine until it's not. Until you feel something slip and tweak your back.
The author dismisses this argument, despite very nearly validating it in his linking of the Long De Cheng video. In my personal experience, belts definitely let you lift more weight, and do increase IAP, but they emphasize core muscles that push out against the belt, and lead you to neglect muscles critical for spinal stability, like the TVA. Belts tend to overload these outer muscles (straining the QLs or the rectus abdominus when deadlifting or squatting is an indicator this is happening).
Or to put it another way. Belts are probably positive on any single lift attempt. But over the long run I think they lead to greater injury risk, depending on lift. This is another way of saying that the more you push your limits, the greater the injury risk. Any powerlifter knows this and accepts this.
Though I am still really not good at this sport. Saturday I went 7/9 with 212.5kg / 132.5kg and 230kg @112.9kg.
I really hope the state championships in May are gonna be better... just keep on grinding away at those lifts.
I am yearning to get strong again. After years of playing along my insured knee is not cooperating with squatting anymore It feels like my left one is working mechanically different that my right one, resulting in a sideways S-shape movement up and down the squat. Haven't figured out how to fix this
On February 12 2019 15:42 Malinor wrote:
But you have the Most gorgeous squats on the planet. Next stop is definitely the 500Squat.
And dude, if you could Bench more, that would like, dude, totally help your C&J.
On a more serious note, I Hope you get Healthy again and get a PR down the Road.
haha quit trying to trick me into benching!
Finally getting a bit more functional, squatting and pulling around 170kg now and mostly pain free. Starting to work the Sn/CJ back in as well. Competing at the Arnold in a few weeks but am only shooting for an ~80% total and just doin it for fun